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    Posting this with permission from Ed as a potential GB.

    I have started making 170-degree thermostats that are quite affordable and doing so as a side venture for the benefit of other enthusiasts. These are all built with U.S. made parts by Stant, and I will sell them for $35 shipped (lower 48 states), including the O-ring. I have one in my own Cobra and it works great. Figured I would see about doing more for guys here...

    A portion of the proceeds goes to St. Judes.

    I can be reached here via PM, but e-mail is the best way to catch me: [email protected].

    Website: www.termi-stat.com

    Also some info on my own site:

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    I'm in support - count me in!

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    I am in for two.

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    This really is a group buy of limited quantity guys. From what Joe has shared with me about the T-Stat it is a very nice piece that came to be as the result of that wonderful mother of invention — need. Best of all the monies from it go to a great charity.


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    I'll take one.

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    I'm in...

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    So basically this guy is copying the exact product we've been making for 7 years already... and it looks like he intends to eventually copy our whole product line.

    Yes, I could sell them cheaper if I sold thermostats directly but I have to use distributors to sell enough to make a living. I think it's really great he's donating everything to charity but I can't help but feel it's at the expense of taking food off my plate.
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    If you look into after market car parts there are so many of the exact same parts produced by several manufactures that you scratch your head wondering who made what first and how does this happen time and time again. LFP,Metco,Afco,Billetflow,Division X and Fore all seem to swim in the same pond with near identical product and nobody has posted on SVTP under the Lethal banner Hey guys your fuel hat and rails look just like my own and you stealing food from my plate. If jrgoffin is doing nothing wrong by building a few ford stats at a lower price I would suggest leave it alone and let your vast distribution do it's job and let a few guys get a great deal If there is something proprietary about cobbling a few thermostats together then let the OP know and I'm sure he will stop otherwise like Metco and LFP and all the others just learn to live with competition as it's good for everyone.

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    I'm pretty sure some of those parts you mentioned are/were actually the same stuff marketed under a different brand early on, some have split off and done their own thing. Most of these deals are done behind the scenes and everybody learns to play nice usually.

    You're right... there is certainly nothing wrong with building a few parts and making some deals for people on the forums, in fact if anyone wants to learn how to build their own 170* thermostat I'd be happy to show them how, but through PMs of course. Clearly he has bigger plans than that though, putting up a website and expanding the line, basically copying our entire business model even down to similar pictures and selling points.

    I found another post where he states the retail cost of our thermostats is ludicrous and that I do take offense to. Funny thing is he is selling them for right around the same cost we do, except we only sell wholesale.

    I think if you had spent several years of your life building a business as I have you would have a different perspective. Certainly if anyone wants to take a chance and save a few bucks I can't blame them, it could be a very comparable product. But keep in mind we've been doing this for a long time and have learned a few things along the way.

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    Breathe in breathe out Nobody wants to build thermostats and donate the proceeds for a living unless they wish to live in a cardboard box over a subway vent . All he is doing is putting a few good 170 stats in the hands of guys that otherwise would have never bought one.
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    Why not just sell them direct for, say, $45 and use the extra money to pay someone to handle the orders and shipping? You don't need to be distributed to a online part house IMO. The good parts are found via word of mouth with these types of cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmproductions View Post
    So basically this guy is copying the exact product we've been making for 7 years already... and it looks like he intends to eventually copy our whole product line.

    Yes, I could sell them cheaper if I sold thermostats directly but I have to use distributors to sell enough to make a living. I think it's really great he's donating everything to charity but I can't help but feel it's at the expense of taking food off my plate.
    All the information I have came from Stant, friends at Ford, and some helpful guys at a local NAPA. I have never had one of your products in my hands, nor have I copied or referenced any of your work. The notion of putting lower-temp thermostats in cars is not new, and being a tinkerer, I figured I would take a stab at marrying two of them to see if I could find a fit. In all honesty, I realized that a MotoRad piece that has been on one of my shelves for two+ years was not going to be useful, so I finally decided to dabble with this in my own shop. Like so many other parts for cars like Mustangs, there are a lot of items out there that can be had from many different vendors, and this is no different.

    In the 25+ years I’ve been working on cars, I’ve learned a few things as well, especially that thermostats are not complicated. After all, I’m not building a space shuttle in my garage - this is just something I played with that ultimately turned out just fine. I built one for my own Cobra, made a few more that I gave to friends, and when I realized the simplicity, I figured I could do some favors for guys that might save them a few dollars. I am aware that you had gotten involved in this several years ago and advertise on another forum, and I’m sure it is appreciated.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmproductions View Post
    I'm pretty sure some of those parts you mentioned are/were actually the same stuff marketed under a different brand early on, some have split off and done their own thing. Most of these deals are done behind the scenes and everybody learns to play nice usually.

    You're right... there is certainly nothing wrong with building a few parts and making some deals for people on the forums, in fact if anyone wants to learn how to build their own 170* thermostat I'd be happy to show them how, but through PMs of course. Clearly he has bigger plans than that though, putting up a website and expanding the line, basically copying our entire business model even down to similar pictures and selling points.

    I found another post where he states the retail cost of our thermostats is ludicrous and that I do take offense to. Funny thing is he is selling them for right around the same cost we do, except we only sell wholesale.

    I think if you had spent several years of your life building a business as I have you would have a different perspective. Certainly if anyone wants to take a chance and save a few bucks I can't blame them, it could be a very comparable product. But keep in mind we've been doing this for a long time and have learned a few things along the way.
    My knowledge of your business plan or the relationship you have with your suppliers is nonexistent, and I have no intention of intruding. As I stated, if I kick a few of these out the door, what very little I gain from it will go to a good cause (I’m actually thinking St. Jude’s, to make it specific). I highly doubt that spending a couple hours a month tinkering is going to upset the market in any way whatsoever with these. If I chose to advertise and come up with a few different versions, that is the free market, and again, something I came up with by doing my own research.

    As for your “selling points”, well, it is a thermostat, so what better way to illustrate how one performs against another by putting them in the medium they are meant for. I didn’t come up with that one on my own, but it’s just common sense. Hard data works every time, and as for pictures of a thermostat, a great way to advertise a thermostat is to just take a picture of said thermostat. That isn’t really noteworthy, but for the sake of guys that have snatched some of these up, I felt the personal touch, rather than cobbling photo’s from Stant, was a nice idea. Also, if my choice of the word “ludicrous” was offensive, then I’ll gladly apologize and will be happy to make it a bit more palatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgoffin View Post
    if I kick a few of these out the door... a couple hours a month tinkering is going to upset the market
    Forgive me if I thought you were planning on doing more than some small runs... but when somebody creates an email domain, a website and posts on more than one site that parts are available, along with future models planned, it looks a bit more ambitious than that.

    I tried to contact you yesterday, please give me a call sometime. Maybe there's a way we can help each other?

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    The last batch of these has been sold out through other sources, but still willing to build up more for guys here. Since forum traffic appears to be a bit slow and I have yet to still put a separate site up, they've still been moving. In any case, it's still easy enough to do a group buy here!

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    The lineup of the rest, just as an FYI:

    The "T-1" for the bulk of DOHC V-8's and many V-6's including the ecoBoost 3.5L:



    Can also do them for the 2011-2015 5.0 Coyote engines, the 2015-2016 GT350, and F-150. The "T-2":



    And then one for many of the other SOHC V-8's, "T-3":

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