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From 2V to 4V build thread

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I have a lot of individual threads started while researching 4V parts but now that I'm starting to accumulate parts and modify things I will simply post my build and any questions I have in this thread. Hopefully anyone that can help will chime in...

FYI, swapping to a Mach 1 intake is costing me a LOT of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ but it will be worth it in the end:

New throttle body
New Fuel Rails
New Alternator...aarrgg..

Need help with this. My current 180amp alternator is too long so I need to know what high amp unit fits this Mach 1 intake? I see high amp units at Summit but not sure if they will actually fit or if there is a cheaper place to get one. Rock Auto doesn't have any high amp units.

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Look into Marauder alternators. They are 4G. Also the voltage regulator may need to be changed. Marauder uses ECM to regulate voltage, i think the Marauder voltage regulator is white. There is a grey voltage regulator that bolts right in that will work for non-ECM voltage control.
4v alternator is slim on the N/A motors
Cobra alt is relocated
Wow, there are a lot of different alternator case styles but it looks like I need a 200amp "4G" case which I think will fit with this intake...prices are all over the place.

I may check my local alternator/starter shop to see what they have and to do a comparison.

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If you need 200a then fine
but i think stock Marauder is 130a
Check with Mechman Alternators, Kevin. They built a Gen 6 unit for me that is the smallest I have ever had. It is a self-exciting, one-wire, 240 Amp unit that I bought about 8 or more years ago. I am sure they have zestier units today, and probably equally small.
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Some pics from this weekend:

Removed divider from Mach 1 intake. The elliptical TB is actually smaller than the opening in the manifold once I cut the divider out so no need for any type of transition spacer not to mention I think the adapter hose for the inlet pipe may put the pipe into the strut tower.

It's everything I can do to NOT smooth out the port surface. The casting is extremely thin and if I tried to flatten the surface I would go through the casting so I didn't spend a lot of time straightening the port surface. Also since the opening in the manifold is larger than the TB there isn't a performance advantage in doing so.

The elliptical TB doesn't have a port to operate an IAC so the port on the roof of the manifold for the IAC will be welded shut and the IAC port will be routed externally. There will be a lot more welding done to the manifold for vacuum blocks, ports, etc so there will be more to come.

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Due to the wire tuck that was on the 2V I spent all week cutting and soldering wires but I am making progress at redoing the wiring to fit the 4V

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I read that going from a 2V to a 4V the coils need the wires reversed in the connectors so I still need to do this but the pass side routing is fitting good.

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More got done so a few more pics.

Coil and Inj wiring all done. Still need to re-pin the coils.

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I have a major issue with the throttle cable hitting the PCV boss. I'm beginning to think this UPR K-member has the motor set back an inch or so.. I have very little room to the firewall.

Had to order longer throttle cable and cruise control cable off ebay.
Had to order a different TPS sensor and connector for the new TB since my existing one won't work.

I read that the master cylinder has to be removed in order to get the DS valve cover on/off but I still couldn't get that sucker on. So I notched clearance in the valve cover and now it fits with the MC completely disconnected except the brake lines. I will weld it and grind it flush.
I'm also going to cut off the PCV boss off to lower that section to help clear the throttle cable then I will add a PCV boss elsewhere.

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My mach intake lid has a provision for IAC. Only sensor on the TB is TPS.
have you tried flipping the throttle cable mounting bracket on the firewall? I seem to remember doing that and it bought me just enough room to barely miss the PCV.
Nice job on the coils, looks great! Yes the coils polarity needs to be reversed.
regarding the cam cover removal- in the past i have installed adapter fittings and flexible braided stainless brake hoses so that the master can be removed and laid over to the side to create more room.
Are you running a hydrobooster?
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My mach intake lid has a provision for IAC. Only sensor on the TB is TPS.
have you tried flipping the throttle cable mounting bracket on the firewall? I seem to remember doing that and it bought me just enough room to barely miss the PCV.
Nice job on the coils, looks great! Yes the coils polarity needs to be reversed.
regarding the cam cover removal- in the past i have installed adapter fittings and flexible braided stainless brake hoses so that the master can be removed and laid over to the side to create more room.
Are you running a hydrobooster?
Yes, the intake has the IAC but the Elliptical TB's do not have a port for it. The Oval ones do.

The throttle cable and cruise cables are about 18" too short to reach the new position of the TB so I need new ones. The ebay seller of the throttle cable just canceled my order due to him only using cashapp for payment so I'm back to looking for a throttle cable and bracket. I do have the cruise cable coming.

I'd rather cut the PCV down. I have a different solution for crankcase evac that doesn't use a PCV anyway.

Good info on the braided brake hoses, I will keep that in mind over the next few weeks as I routinely pull the v-cover off. It's still a bit difficult and I don't want any issues scratching it after it gets powdercoated. Yep, still using factory brake system.

I got a good look at how much room I have for fuel lines and there isn't much. I want to come up with something unique with SST lines since everyone liked the way I did it on the 2V.

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I am using a Mach1 throttle cable IIRC.
Thanks for the info on the IAC, i'm sure whatever you come up with will work fine. You do some nice work.
I am using a Mach1 throttle cable IIRC.
Thanks for the info on the IAC, i'm sure whatever you come up with will work fine. You do some nice work.
I'm trying to soften my work load on this project but every time I have to buy something new I evaluate it to make sure that it's up to my technical requirement and most pieces are not. We will all see where things go when I start machining.

For the IAC port I will probably machine a hole in it but not sure just how yet. I can either machine a hole through the top similar to the factory TB...no external hoses to connect and look awful.
Or
Drill a port in the bottom of the TB and a port on the outside of the IAC then connect them via external hose. Not as nice looking but the machining is less critical. I know I don't want the hose connected to the up-pipe so the connection has to be directly to the TB.. still pondering

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Try machining up an IAC adapter boss that you weld to the intake manifold (in a good looking location) and then bolt the IAC to, Kevin. This approach will give you some wiggle room in the fit and look good department and allow the use of any throttle body.
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I have one but your thought gives me an idea. I need to fab up a new vacuum block which I had planned to weld onto the intake some place so maybe I can jimmy up a fancier one that incorporates the IAC too...hmmm...:unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure:


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Wiring Question:
I need a new alternator and I see they offer a single wire voltage regulator 4G 200amp unit:


How does this get wired up to my 2002 GT 2V harness?

Do I just run the heavy gauge wire from the 12V battery source to the large post on the alternator and any other wires from the existing connector get removed/not used so I can remove them from the car? Or do those extra wires get rerouted someplace else?

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The beauty of the single-wire alts is the wiring. Just one wire directly to the battery positive terminal or the positive terminal on the starter. If your battery has been relocated to the trunk, the starter positive terminal is the easier.
OK.. I read that elsewhere but having three leftover wires makes me a bit queasy.. =)

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I know the feeling, Kevin. I had the same anxieties! I guarantee you those wires are no longer required on a one-wire alternator. Now, if you have a kill switch, it will need to also break the electrical connection between the alternator and the battery or starter post. If it doesn't, the one-wire alternator will keep the engine running.

The effect without breaking the alternator to battery or starter circuit connection is similar to starting a car and disconnecting the battery's positive cable. The car continues to run because the alternator is providing the power.
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No kill switch but I know what you're talking about...
I actually received an alternator yesterday but it was damaged so I am sending it back. That's when I started looking into a one wire unit and since I could use less wires/hoses I think it's a better decision so I have it on order.

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Check with the manufacturer about the 'turn on RPM' for the alternator. You want the 'turn on RPM' to coincide with your idle rpm. That might require a pulley change on the alternator to bring the alternator RPM up high enough to 'turn on' at idle. The other metric you want to be sensitive to is the max safe operating RPM. If the pulley required to get it to turn on at idle puts the alternator rpm above its safe operating ceiling, when you are changing gears, the alternator will kill itself. For example, if it requires a 3:1 step up from crank speed to turn on at idle and the max safe alternator rpm is 18,000 rpm, when you shift at 7,500 rpm (or 8,500 ?!) the alternator will see 22,500 rpm at the 7,500 rpm shift point and 25,500 rpm at the 8,500 rpm shift point.

When Mechman did my 'little' Gen 6 alternator they used Denso internals and square rather than round wire to get my safe operating RPM up to 21 or 22 thousand rpm — I forget which anymore. If you have a safe operating speed down in the 15,000 to 18,000 rpm window, this is a big problem. Potential alternator explosions notwithstanding it will put you into an alternator replacement mode every 18 to 24 months, maybe sooner. BTW the alternator manufacturer will tell you to slow down the alternator and 'it will be OK' in daily driver traffic, in the city. That usually works until your battery stops working.

BTW with a high-mounted alternator (in front of the intake?) when/if it explodes you not only have the aggravation of refinishing and repainting the hood but you also have the issue of alternator shrapnel flying around in the neighborhood of real people.
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