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Twin 57mm HPP or HELLION turbo kit?

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I was set on getting the twin 57 mm kit from hellion, but have been reading the turbo section and see a few posts of people selling the hellion kit and going HPP. The TT kits are identical in price, so can someone explain the benefits? I know with the HPP you can see the turbos under the hood, that looks nice, but are their kits ready-made, how long would it take to get one, and is the install easier'/harder then a hellion turbo kit? thanks.
 

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hpp would be harder because it has headers, while the hellion used stock manifolds.. I have not worked with either but seems obvious...

I have seen the hpp kit in person though, and its badass looking..
 

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wait a second, i may be retarded, but don't you have to have turbo headers? how could the hellion kit use the stock cobra manifolds. I have longtubes on my car now, can I somehow use those with the hellion kit? i dont see how this is possible.


edit: or do you mean intake manifold? lol. BUt you say the HPP kit has headers, well, as i said, i need turbo headers correct. does hellion come with the turbo headers or do I have to get them custom made?
 

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wait a sec while i post a pic.
 

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here goes the hellion kit pipe routing.. it uses the stock manifolds and then uturns around up to the turbo.. all thier kits are like this if i am not mistaken..

 

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oh wow, i had no idea hellion was routed that way. I don't even have those crap manifolds, could you guys recommend someone that could make a killer header for the hellion kit? That could be a huge restriction point (using the stock manifolds) no? The shop I have building the car is pretty good, would it be effective to just use my BBK longtubes. They could weld some extra pipe to connect to my longtubes(as opposed to the stock manifolds), then just u-turn that up to the turbos, or could the extra exhaust travel distance cause problems? That could only provide more air flow no?

CLIFF NOTES: If they fabbed up some extra piping to connect to my longtube headers instead of using the stock manifolds, would that work, and if it did, wouldnt that be a lot better anyway?
 

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just go hpp if you dont want stock manifolds, but im sure its been proven that the turbo is the biggest restriction in the exhuast, so there isnt alot to gain by using something other than the stock manifolds.
 

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Hellion gets my vote cause I have experience with them but I had there single kit. They are very fast at getting there kits out also I think it was 3 weeks.
 

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the hellion twin kit is pretty easy to install. like I said in my pm, the stock manifolds have been proven to be perfectly fine. and most feel it is above 1000rwhp where they may be a restriction, but there are some who have made over that with the stock manifolds. your goals are 700 on pump gas like you told me. stock manifolds are more than adequate for that. they hold heat in very well and that is one reason they work well. it was designed this way for ease of installation for most anybody with mechanical skills and hand tools. so no, you don't have to have turbo headers and imo, I would see the longtubes and midpipe to help offset some of the cost of the kit. either way, you would be doing that with any of the kits out there.
 

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The advantage of the Hellion over the HPP is the Hellion kit is stainless... whereas the HPP kit is coated. However, HPP warranties the piping for life.

The HPP kit turbos sit high and don't require an evacuation pump, whereas the Hellion kit's turbos are mounted lower, and require the pump. I don't think that is too big of a deal, as Hellion includes the pump... simply one more thing to install.

Cost wise, the base HPP kit is close to the Hellion, but if you go for any of the available options, the price will quickly exceed the Hellion kit.

I do believe Hellion will be a quicker turnaround, but pm -Wade- on here to find out how long the HPP kit will take. Sometimes they have them on the shelves.

You just need to decide if you want the turbos showing in the engine bay or not. Personally, I wasn't going to go through the labor and cost of going turbo and not be able to see them sexy shits.
 

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Tony,

in the base price of $7500, does that include the suspension? I looked at their kit once before and forgot to ask this. Because in their Options it mentions the suspension kit for $1230.
 

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Tony,

in the base price of $7500, does that include the suspension? I looked at their kit once before and forgot to ask this. Because in their Options it mentions the suspension kit for $1230.
No. Suspension is not included in that price.
 

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The advantage of the Hellion over the HPP is the Hellion kit is stainless... whereas the HPP kit is coated. However, HPP warranties the piping for life.

The HPP kit turbos sit high and don't require an evacuation pump, whereas the Hellion kit's turbos are mounted lower, and require the pump. I don't think that is too big of a deal, as Hellion includes the pump... simply one more thing to install.

Cost wise, the base HPP kit is close to the Hellion, but if you go for any of the available options, the price will quickly exceed the Hellion kit.

I do believe Hellion will be a quicker turnaround, but pm -Wade- on here to find out how long the HPP kit will take. Sometimes they have them on the shelves.

You just need to decide if you want the turbos showing in the engine bay or not. Personally, I wasn't going to go through the labor and cost of going turbo and not be able to see them sexy shits.
X2....from a former Hellion owner:tip:aint they purdy...
 

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Three things to improve the HPP kit:
Add a AC delete option on hot piping
Include custom hoses to relocate the power steering reservoir.
Option for driver side turbo support bracket to work with non 03-04 Cobra front cover.
 

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Three things to improve the HPP kit:
Add a AC delete option on hot piping
Include custom hoses to relocate the power steering reservoir.
Option for driver side turbo support bracket to work with non 03-04 Cobra front cover.
A/C delete??? You crazy? lol
You can clearance the 03 cover. That is what I did. No biggie.

 

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A/C delete??? You crazy? lol
You can clearance the 03 cover. That is what I did. No biggie.

Naaaa...........I had plenty of clearance on the driver side. I'm talking about the support bracket for the driver side turbo. It's set up for the Cobra cover, not a Mach1. I made a bracket to make it work, not a big deal........just one more thing to fab.
 

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In the next 10-14 days I will have a kit on the shelf. Hopefully a second within the next month!

-Wade
Crack a damn whip!!!!:imao::imao:
 

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