[JT]

I didn't write this letter just bringing it to your attention..

Here is the letter in full: ​

To the American people, and to peace loving individuals everywhere:
Massive evidence has come to our attention which shows that the backers, controllers, and allies of Vice President Dick Cheney are determined to orchestrate and manufacture a new 9/11 terror incident, and/or a new Gulf of Tonkin war provocation over the coming weeks and months. Such events would be used by the Bush administration as a pretext for launching an aggressive war against Iran, quite possibly with nuclear weapons, and for imposing a regime of martial law here in the United States. We call on the House of Representatives to proceed immediately to the impeachment of Cheney, as an urgent measure for avoiding a wider and more catastrophic war. Once impeachment has begun, it will be easier for loyal and patriotic military officers to refuse illegal orders coming from the Cheney faction. We solemnly warn the people of the world that any terrorist attack with weapons of mass destruction taking place inside the United States or elsewhere in the immediate future must be considered the prima facie responsibility of the Cheney faction. We urge responsible political leaders everywhere to begin at once to inoculate the public opinion of their countries against such a threatened false flag terror operation.
(Signed) A Group of US Opposition Political Leaders Gathered in Protest at the Bush Compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, August 24-25, 2007
CYNTHIA MCKINNEY, FORMER US CONGRESSWOMAN, GEORGIA CINDY SHEEHAN, CANDIDATE FOR US CONGRESS, CALIFORNIA CRAIG HILL, CANDIDATE FOR US CONGRESS, VERMONT GREEN PARTY BRUCE MARSHALL, CONVENOR, PHILADELPHIA PLATFORM JAMILLA EL-SHAFEI, KENNEBUNK PEACE DEPARTMENT WEBSTER G. TARPLEY, AUTHOR ANN WRIGHT, COLONEL US ARMY RESERVE, FORMER US DIPLOMAT DR. DAHLIA WASFI, www.liberatethis.com - Home GEORGE PAZ MARTIN JOHN KAMINSKI , PRESIDENT MAINE LAWYERS FOR DEMOCRACY

The letter was signed by the group at an anti war protest this weekend which saw four thousand march near the Bush family residence on Walker's Point in Kennebunkport. ​

The warning comes on the heels of a spate of recent news stories and reports indicating that "chatter" about a terror event is at an all time high. ​

Further evidence that some form of event is imminent has emerged with strange stock market activity occurring just as did in the weeks and days preceding 9/11. ​

A mystery trader risks losing around $1 billion dollars after placing 245,000 put options on the Dow Jones Eurostoxx 50 index, leading many analysts to speculate that a stock market crash preceded by a new 9/11 style catastrophe could take place within the next month. ​

The Kennebunkport group have demanded the immediate impeachment of Dick Cheney in order to prevent any such activities coming to fruition.

Well it is now 10/2 and the dow jones is at 14,047, which aside from yesterday's close at 14,087 is a record.

I guess this truly was all BS.

 

[JT]

George Carlin's take on our situation:

YouTube - George Carlin: education and the owners of America

 

[JT]

Hey JT! So what about the suspicious stock market trades taking place?

Everything I can find points to on or by Sept 21st..

This guys seems to think so as well..

YouTube - Stock Market crash by Sept. 21st??

More people have made videos of suspicious activity.. Check them out..

I have seen a not so scary explanaton, that unfortuneatly I didn't bookmark.

Basically it said, among other things, that whoever has those positions, could have off setting positions and by just looking at short futures, one can't really tell where the true money is.

 

[JT]

Why bother with building 7? Ever heard of the WorldCOM scandal? There were thousands of documents related to criminal ongoing probes related not only to WorldCOM, but other cases implicating alot of influential people...

WorldCom Fraud InfoCenter - WorldCom scandal and fraud

So while it looked as if it was just an innocent building which fell.. Alot of damaging evidence was lost as well..

When you click on the link, look to the right for more info of criminal cases which information was lost when WTC7 came down..

So what?

Dick Cheney to GW, "Look George, not only will we be able too attack iraq, and Afghanistan, but we can get rid of worldcom documents!"

Anyway, watch the show, the building had large spans supported by long trusses, a truss that would fail when fires were freely burning for hours upon hours. By the way the trusses were supported on the ends, in the corners of the building, and unsupported in the middle, where the supposed "telltale" demoltion "kink" happened.

 

[JT]

No I didn't watch the History channel special.. Partly because I knew it couldn't explain why WTC7 imploded, and how both towers 1 and 2 collapsed at free fall speed.. Or explain how it is possible that another bush was running the security of the wtc previous to 911..

Let me ask you a question.. Did the History channel story say that the presidents brother ran the security company? Did it explain why some of the structural steel had 45 degree angle perfect cuts? These are steel beams in the center of the structure.. The core...

If not, then the rest of it was BS as well...

YouTube - 911 Truth: Modern Miracle of Science Defies Physics!!

Proclaim it BS without watching? I can't summarize a several hour show in a the length of a post, but here are a few highlights.

Once the building "fractured", it had to come down fast, the speed of the fall makes perfect sense to me.

Also pointed out that, at the temperature the fires burned, while steel doesn't melt, it does loose half it's strength (explains the collapse). There was plenty of other metal in the building that would melt at those temperatures, which explains the potential for the "puddled" metal (which I don't neccesarily believe existed).

As for WTC 7, most of that was explained, the building had a somewhat unique truss structure, watch the replay if you want to know more.

Regardless of the explanation, the fact that the conspiracy theorists make such a big deal out of building 7 is amazing, and to me a "straw man" argument.

A building that no one really cared about, that no one was in, collapsed, so what? If there was a conspiracy, why would they have even bothered with building 7?

Again, there was much more to the show, watch it for yourself and polish up you tinfoil hat, lol.

JT

 

[JT]

MSP,

I appreciate the thought that events shouldn't be blindly accepted at face value.

However, I don't think governments in general, and ours in particular, especially this administration, can keep a secret.

Nor do they seem competent, on any level.

Did you see the History channel piece on 9/11 conspiracies? It answered 90+% of all my questions in ways that gel with my engineering back round.

The problem I am left with is very political, and that is this administration has absolutly prositituted 9/11 way beyond what I thought possible, to implement policies they wanted to implement long before 9/11.

To me the Bill of Rights is not negotiable, and I wish all Americans truely appreciated it's wisdom.

 

[JT]

So,you visit evil bible . com seeking information to denounce the bible. Why not seek a web site that promotes the bible and seek the truth? "it is appointed for man once to live and after that the judgement".GGBIW:deshade:

I am not seeking to denounce the bible, just report what is actually in it

The passages cited are actually in the bible, so they deserve "airtime" as well.

 

[JT]

Nice work. That should have taken some time.

[Edit, I should give proper credit to the source, it was cut and paste from evilbible.com]

Going back a few of your posts ago, do you advocate murdering those who don't believe what you believe, or not?

 

[JT]

Please straighten me out, are you saying that only ignorant people support organized religion?

Read into it what you will.

BTW, I am just teasing all the "holy rollers" that run around "evangilizing" with that smug attitude that they know the way to eternal salvation, and everyone who doesn't listen to them is doomed.

 

[JT]

while you are at the throat of religion (especially christians) for commiting acts of murder and say that they are the group that is responsible for most attrocities consider this........... Maybe it is atheists that commit the most murder of humans and why not? They have noone to account to and nothing to account for.

I don't need the threat of "answering" to someone to keep me from killing people.

If it is agreed that that killing newborns is against the religious belief which is nearly universal truth then atheists are reponsible for these deaths as well.

Evidently killing newborns/children is okay with the judeo /christian god:
Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.

Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance "0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."

2 Kings 6:28-29 "And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son."

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

Judges 19:24-29 "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel." To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped.

Exodus 12:29 God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh's actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler's forced action?

Exodus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents Joshua 8 God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai. They were all slain in the ambush that was planned by god.

2 Kings 2:23-24 The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone "bald head" is far from being worthy of death.

Leviticus 26:30 "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat."

1 Samuel 15:11-18 God repents of having made Saul king since Saul refused to carry out God's commandments (i.e., Saul refused to murder all the innocent women and children.) At least god realizes what an immoral, murderous pig he is on this one.

I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates.

Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will "thrust you through," smash your children "to pieces" before your eyes, and rape your wife.

Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.

Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.

Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children.

 

[JT]

To say that it doesn't matter which religon it is , is short sighted. One honors life the other doesn't. Yes,zealots on both sides take it to extremes,but there are distinct differeces you can't ignore. It actually boils down to two brothers in the old testament. One became the father of the jewish nation,the other the father of the arab nation.Everything happens for a reason. Truth cannot be compromised or changed.There is no doubt in my mind that this thread happened for a reason and those that read it is not hap hazard or an accident. GGBIW:bang:

One honors life?

I'd like to see someone try to total up how much death and suffering has been perpetrated in the name of each of the major religions. Based on the crusades alone,the christian religion would probably be at the top.

There is no doubt in my mind the world would be better off without organized religion. All organized religion does is allow ignorant people to run around saying "I'm right, your doomed" my X,000 year old (fictional) book says so.

 

[JT]

I get your point. Nobody understands fully the deeper meanings of life. Therefore while grasping for staws to try to come up with or rationalizing the reason for being, several step into the abyss while "standing" on moral grounds.

Your logic is quite flawed as to how you are trying to use an analogous arguement for perceived murder by some. If what any of our oversees efforts are honor filled then it would be said that we go and fight for those who can not. This is closer to the murder of those who commit murder as perceived by the "right to lifers". If they kill perceived evil to protect the obvious innocent, then there marterdom is complete.

What you see is the the "freedom of choice" advocates forcing the unwilling to pay for something that they find abhorant. Try this for an analogy. A group is systematically murdering your family members and the government is forcing you to pay taxes to help support (meaning paying the group to murder your family) this group. You can however stop the murder of your family by taking out a few key members of the group. This is much closer to what is the realty of the subject. It certainly should not be taken lightly.

Your post is not clear to me, are you advocating murder?

 

[JT]

All of you holy roller bible thumpers crack me up. The single most deterrent to world peace is organized religion. It is for all the sheep that need to be led around because they can't stand on there own 2 feet. Man will never be free as long as Religion continues. It allows the sheep to spew hate and intolerance while beating their chests in righteous indignation.

+1,000,000

 

[JT]

For those who believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God there is no confusion about the proper definition of marriage or the immorality of homosexuality.
People are born with a sin nature that manifests itself in many expressions of rebellion against God. God is not to be blamed for our sinful choices. He sent His Son to deliver us from the penalty and the practice of sin including homosexuality.
Leviticus 18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
It used to be the practice to cut such persons off from the rest of people and often time punishable by death.

Well MSP I don't expect you to respond I seem to ask to hard of questions o and in case you missed it I had some questions for you on page 7. Please from now on do not refer to yourself as a Christian until you get your views straightened out. The only way you will get your views straightened out by seeking the truth and that does not lye within yourself it is from the Creator and his Holy words the Bible.

GGBIW I appreciate your views and taking a stand for what is right

How about another "gem" from Leviticus:

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"

 

[JT]

No privacy being violated here, move along...
ABC News: FBI Spy System Performs Instant Wiretaps

From the story linked above, be sure to read the whole thing:

The FBI has quietly built a sophisticated, point-and-click surveillance system that performs instant wiretaps on almost any communications device, according to nearly a thousand pages of restricted documents newly released under the Freedom of Information Act.

The surveillance system, called DCSNet, for Digital Collection System Network, connects FBI wiretapping rooms to switches controlled by traditional land-line operators, internet-telephony providers and cellular companies. It is far more intricately woven into the nation's telecom infrastructure than observers suspected.

It's a "comprehensive wiretap system that intercepts wire-line phones, cellular phones, SMS and push-to-talk systems," says Steven Bellovin, a Columbia University computer science professor and longtime surveillance expert.

 

[JT]

I hate Democrats more than you! Don't get me started on Democrats please..

Man you must really hate GW and love Bill Clinton, since he qoverned far to the right of today's corrupt gang.

 

[JT]

Turning a little homophobic in here?

To me, the problem with Craig isn't that he is gay, but that he is a hypocrite.

There are plenty of Gay democrats, but since the majority of them don't run around bashing gays, and same sex marrage, etc. they seem a little further down the hypocracy scale.

Speaking of gays, how about GW's gay prostitute overnight whitehouse visitor and press conference softball questioner,(Jeff Gannon alias Jeff Guckert), that the mainstream media totally ignored? What was up with that? Again, I have a problem with the hypocracy, not anyone's sexual preference.

 

[JT]

Wait a second. ....... So you are saying all of that is Bush's fault. That he caused ALL of that? Let's see France and Germany and Russia who supplied equipment to help build the equipment for centrifuges had nothing to do with helping these countries in their quest for WMD?

Come on.... So easy to blame a political administration because you hate the party.

Um.. North Korea. Possibly withdraw of WMD.. Success maybe.....

Deter Iran from WMD? Please, oh please tell me what Bush or anyone else could do to deter Iran from WMD? Wipe Israel off the map for them? Surrender the US to them? Please tell me. This I would love to hear.....

Please be realistic on some of these. I agree with you on some of the others. But these are way off base.

First of all I am a registered republican.

Second, France, Germany and Russia were supposed to kill bin laden?

Third, If the US wasn't involved in a war that didn't need to be fought, the other members of the "axis of evil" may have been a little more concerned about military action and more amenable to stopping their WMD projects.

So to answer your question, as the leaders of the worlds lone superpower, GW Bush and company are completely responsible.

Further, with regard to iran and iraq under saddam, would one or the other have stood by while the other developed WMDs? No way, not after the bitter 8 year 1,000,000 casuality war they recently fought. How nice it would have been to stand on the side lines while two of our main enemies killed off each other?

 

[JT]

I don't buy many conspiracy theories, but if you take a moment to look into the ones associated with 911, there are alot of unanswered questions... especially the rate in which those buildings fell - free fall speed.

JT, I agree with your post 110%

The best list of unanswered questions (not lunatic ravings) I have seen is here:
http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ec

Not that I think all of them are unanswered, for example the lack of jet parts at the pentagon can be explained by watching this video on youtube:

YouTube - F4 Phantom Vs. Wall

 

[JT]

JT, so I am a complete flamiong idiot because I am still behind this administation? Thanks for judging me. Shows good character.

I am behind the administration. Not on everything. I do not follow blindly. Do I agree with the war. Actually, I do stand behind the war. For several reasons. 1st. If atrocities are committed, I believe it is the responsibility of any superpower to put an end to it. Hussein was torturing and murdering his own people. Look what he did to the Kurds. I also think we need to go into Sudan as well and put an end to the genocide there.

I believe we should do something other than talk about Iran as well. Iran only knows force and will respond only to force. They have proven they careless about idle words.

Do I agree with all Bush has done, no. Do I believe in alot of what he has done and is trying to do? Yes. Is he evil? No. Has he made mistakes? Yes. We all have. We are quick to point the finger at others because it is easy to do so, not realizing the great responsibility they have in protecting this country on a day to day basis.

This administration has done more than make a few mistakes. On a foreign policy level, they have made just about every mistake possible.

Catch or kill bin laden? Fail.
Deter iran from WMD's? Fail.
Deter North Korea from WMD's? Fail.
Invade a country that had a viable WMD program? Fail.
Perpetrate a successful regime change? Fail.
(by successful I mean to a regime more favorable to the United States).
Prevent terrorist activity and training in Iraq? Fail.

What have they succeded in doing, Paving the way for a shia superstate in the heart of the middle east, that's what. A budding breeding and training ground for terrorists. A larger more dangerous theocracy more likely to work with Al Queda and terrorist orginizations that Saddam ever was.

As a secular government in a muslim country, bin laden hated Saddam almost as much as america. Too bad for us he was much smarter than Bush and company and got one of his enemies to take out another of his enemies, while riling up local populations to join his cause against the west.

Iraq under saddam and in Sunni control was the perfect counterbalance to Iran. Bush Cheney and this completely idiotic administration among other things, destroyed the balance of power in the middle east.

Sounds like you think the solution is now to invade iran?

Good luck with that.