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And how many lives have been take by people outside of religion. The numbers are countless as well.

Religion has it's place in the world. Just because you do hate it, does not make your view correct. :) For all of your negative hate of how religion has 'ruined' the world, I could point to all the good it has done. When tragedies have occurred, religious groups have always been at the forefront in helping those in need, many tiimes before anyone else has stepped forth. And before you say, yeah they stooped to try to convert the people, think again. They offered shelter, food, medicine, clothing, toys for children, books and many other things needed.

So, before you blame religion for all atrocities, please read up a little.
Hylander, look one post up. I was posting while you were typing apparently.
 
And Hitler was Catholic........so what. Here we go with the lumping again. Lump all of one type of people to the likes of Stalin...okay that makes a whole lot of sense. I guess all catholics are like Hitler.......NOT. I see some atheists that follow a more righteous path than some Christians. Just because someone has religion doesn't make him righteous, it's his thoughts and actions that will determine that. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholics schools and didn't believe with everything I heard, I then followed the Baptist and it still wasn't complete for me. I felt like the "Church" was more into my "offerings" than me myself. So now I believe what I believe, anything wrong with that?

When did this thread go Biblical anyway? I thought this was a liberal bashing session.

I'll leave you with a few quotes from Hitler...

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so,"

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."
Did you even read he post. It responded to the idea that religious zealots are what is wrong with the world. Non religious ideology has been much more sinister than religious ideology. By huge margins. Responsible for mass amount of murder of humans. Very staggering numbers.
 
Does it matter that the thread has turned biblical? It's been all over the place.We are all members and I'm thankful for the "BAR" so we can respect each other and have conversation on very charged topics without it turning bitter. I'm also happy Eric understands and has asked us to keep it civil. This is one of the few Forums together enough to allow this. Bottom line is there is a purpose for life and it was created by intelligent design. I would like to point out 1 scientific fact. If you could stretch a ruler across the entire universe and on that ruler was the gauge for gravity at a certain point, if you move that point 1/4 inch,life could not exist. Science is discovering many similar facts. I believe at last count there was in excess of 40 different laws of nature that had to be in place in order for life to exist. If you could film the universe expanding,stopped the camera and reversed it to its absolute beginning, the universe started from NOTHING! Time is another interesting matter that science is studying. Yes,that's right,we don't know what time actually is. Saw an interesting show on that one. A proffessor has spent his entire career trying to determine what time actually is.To me it is very apparent that the bible is absolute truth. Science has never been able to disprove it. On the contrary it is validating it. Jesus is the creator and he said he was Alpa and Omega, the beginning and the ending. Are there aliens? The bible says there is Angels and Devils so I guess you could say yes. GGBIW:ilovemf:
 
And Hitler was Catholic........so what. Here we go with the lumping again. Lump all of one type of people to the likes of Stalin...okay that makes a whole lot of sense. I guess all catholics are like Hitler.......NOT. I see some atheists that follow a more righteous path than some Christians. Just because someone has religion doesn't make him righteous, it's his thoughts and actions that will determine that. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholics schools and didn't believe with everything I heard, I then followed the Baptist and it still wasn't complete for me. I felt like the "Church" was more into my "offerings" than me myself. So now I believe what I believe, anything wrong with that?

When did this thread go Biblical anyway? I thought this was a liberal bashing session.

I'll leave you with a few quotes from Hitler...

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so,"

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."
As far as chuch is concerned I Totally see your point. You don't have to go to church to pray.It's not a weakness to ask the creator for guidance. I have issue with many churches that lead people astray. A relationship with Jesus is personal. You can talk to him directly. He gave an example how to pray in the lords prayer. This is a very serious subject that can't be ignored. Truth is truth. There is a purpose and reason for life. GGBIW:cheers:
 
All organized religion does is allow ignorant people to run around saying "I'm right, your doomed" my X,000 year old (fictional) book says so.
Please straighten me out, are you saying that only ignorant people support organized religion?
 
while you are at the throat of religion (especially christians) for commiting acts of murder and say that they are the group that is responsible for most attrocities consider this........... Maybe it is atheists that commit the most murder of humans and why not? They have noone to account to and nothing to account for.
I don't need the threat of "answering" to someone to keep me from killing people.

If it is agreed that that killing newborns is against the religious belief which is nearly universal truth then atheists are reponsible for these deaths as well.
Evidently killing newborns/children is okay with the judeo /christian god:
Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.

Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance "0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."

2 Kings 6:28-29 "And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son."

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

Judges 19:24-29 "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel." To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped.

Exodus 12:29 God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh's actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler's forced action?

Exodus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents Joshua 8 God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai. They were all slain in the ambush that was planned by god.

2 Kings 2:23-24 The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone "bald head" is far from being worthy of death.

Leviticus 26:30 "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat."

1 Samuel 15:11-18 God repents of having made Saul king since Saul refused to carry out God's commandments (i.e., Saul refused to murder all the innocent women and children.) At least god realizes what an immoral, murderous pig he is on this one.

I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates.

Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will "thrust you through," smash your children "to pieces" before your eyes, and rape your wife.

Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.

Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.

Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children.
 
Please straighten me out, are you saying that only ignorant people support organized religion?
Read into it what you will.

BTW, I am just teasing all the "holy rollers" that run around "evangilizing" with that smug attitude that they know the way to eternal salvation, and everyone who doesn't listen to them is doomed.
 
Nice work. That should have taken some time.
[Edit, I should give proper credit to the source, it was cut and paste from evilbible.com]

Going back a few of your posts ago, do you advocate murdering those who don't believe what you believe, or not?
 
Read into it what you will.

BTW, I am just teasing all the "holy rollers" that run around "evangilizing" with that smug attitude that they know the way to eternal salvation, and everyone who doesn't listen to them is doomed.
That is why I asked for a clarification. What you posted sounds like you believe it is in ignorance that people turn to organized religion and I wanted clarification. Please don't attribute anything more than what I actually asked.
 
One honors life?

I'd like to see someone try to total up how much death and suffering has been perpetrated in the name of each of the major religions. Based on the crusades alone,the christian religion would probably be at the top.

There is no doubt in my mind the world would be better off without organized religion. All organized religion does is allow ignorant people to run around saying "I'm right, your doomed" my X,000 year old (fictional) book says so.
Fictional? Your going to find out different some day . Your doomed only if you chose to be. GGBIW:usflag::ilovemf::ilovemf::ilovemf:
 
[Edit, I should give proper credit to the source, it was cut and paste from evilbible.com]

Going back a few of your posts ago, do you advocate murdering those who don't believe what you believe, or not?
So,you visit evil bible . com seeking information to denounce the bible. Why not seek a web site that promotes the bible and seek the truth? "it is appointed for man once to live and after that the judgement".GGBIW:deshade:
 
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This is so outrageous, I don't know where to begin..

Mexico trucks to roll on U.S. highways | Politics | Reuters

Those who voted for this absolute maniac please, once again raise your hands!

You guys better be careful when driving around trucks with hundreds of lights, and lots of chrome.. Let him pass.. Cause if he hits your ass, there is no insurance to fix your broken car, or body parts..
 
It states in the article it was FORCED on
this administration back in 2001! Congress passed the law and you blame the president?:usflag: GGBIW
 
So,you visit evil bible . com seeking information to denounce the bible. Why not seek a web site that promotes the bible and seek the truth? "it is appointed for man once to live and after that the judgement".GGBIW:deshade:
I am not seeking to denounce the bible, just report what is actually in it

The passages cited are actually in the bible, so they deserve "airtime" as well.
 
Discussion starter · #158 ·
It states in the article it was FORCED on
this administration back in 2001! Congress passed the law and you blame the president?:usflag: GGBIW
Thanks GGBIW!! It was a Republican controlled congress which passed the law back in 2001.. As your aware of, they marched in lockstep with the desires of yours truly..

I take it your raising your hand?
 
I am not seeking to denounce the bible, just report what is actually in it

The passages cited are actually in the bible, so they deserve "airtime" as well.
Yes I see your "reporting" and "sources"are put forth to discredit the bible. I tend to like to qoute the creator as he walked the earth speaking to the people.I know there in the bible. The bible was written in such a way that to many it's a stumbling block. to others it is the holy word of god. GGBIW:cheers:
 
Thanks GGBIW!! It was a Republican controlled congress which passed the law back in 2001.. As your aware of, they marched in lockstep with the desires of yours truly..

I take it your raising your hand?
ABSOLUTELY!!. It also stated only companys passing safety requirements will be included. It stated clinton dodged the issue so to speak so the law was passed during wiilies precidency. Free trade is always better. I hope your wrong about the safety of our roads though. GGBIW:headspin:
 
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