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Every means you too. You will bow down to the lord. He created you. Sounds like your full of yourself. "Every knee shall bow,every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord". Some willingly,some in terror. Which do you chose to be? GGBIW:headspin:
I guess i'll have to go in terror then.
 
Wait, so you think it is wrong for someone to talk to someone else about their beliefs?
I believe it is wrong to be as pushy about as most of the door bangers are, or those who follow you down the street, through the airport, pick your scenario.

Now, I agree with you about waging war with people who don't agree with your way of thought. Though, I think war is sometimes necessary when atrocities are committed against humanity.
We are not talking about war of atrocities. The worst atrocities though have been perpetrated by religious zealots out to make the world over in there own ideal.

I see nothing wrong with sending out missionaries as well. There is nothing wrong with trying to make the world a better place.
As long as it fits into your idea of what a better place is and how they should be in it.

I could use the reverse, where politicians pass laws that say, abortion is legal, that welfare should be given to people. Free healthcare should be given. You have the write to vote. They are pushing this all on you. How dare they!!!
Well abortion is legal but it is not mandatory. It is an individuals right to deal with that decision as they see fit under the circumstances, and Bush is trying to take that away. Damn right healthcare should be free and equally provided for everyone. Why should you live and someone else die because of money. The "write" to vote...you have to be kidding me. The man who lost the election is in the White House running the country into the ground

You seem to have a hatred for any who do not share your view of the world. And if they do not agree with you, then they are evil.. While, you are entitled to your view, it seems you want this world to be one way...your way...Any other view is simply wrong.
I have expressed my point of view. Religion and Politics are very emotional issues for many of us. I have not stated anywhere that I hated you or anyone else, nor have I called you evil. I stated my opinion that Religion is one of the major problems the world has to deal with and there will never be peace as long as there is religion. I stand by that statement. I am not trying to force you to change your believes, just expressing mine. Religion is a crutch for the weak and I don't need it. If you do that's your decision and you have a right to it "for yourself".
 
I believe it is wrong to be as pushy about as most of the door bangers are, or those who follow you down the street, through the airport, pick your scenario.

We are not talking about war of atrocities. The worst atrocities though have been perpetrated by religious zealots out to make the world over in there own ideal.

As long as it fits into your idea of what a better place is and how they should be in it.

Well abortion is legal but it is not mandatory. It is an individuals right to deal with that decision as they see fit under the circumstances, and Bush is trying to take that away. Damn right healthcare should be free and equally provided for everyone. Why should you live and someone else die because of money. The "write" to vote...you have to be kidding me. The man who lost the election is in the White House running the country into the ground

I have expressed my point of view. Religion and Politics are very emotional issues for many of us. I have not stated anywhere that I hated you or anyone else, nor have I called you evil. I stated my opinion that Religion is one of the major problems the world has to deal with and there will never be peace as long as there is religion. I stand by that statement. I am not trying to force you to change your believes, just expressing mine. Religion is a crutch for the weak and I don't need it. If you do that's your decision and you have a right to it "for yourself".
The problem is, you lump everyone into your view. Religion is a crutch for the 'weak'. You have no clue who I am. Yet, you assume I am 'weak'. That shows a complete narrow mindness. You show you have no respect for someone because they have 'religion'. In reality, it makes you lose your entire arguement because of your entire judgement process.
 
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The problem is, you lump everyone into your view. Religion is a crutch for the 'weak'. You have no clue who I am. Yet, you assume I am 'weak'. That shows a complete narrow mindness. You show you have no respect for someone because they have 'religion'. In reality, it makes you lose your entire arguement because of your entire judgement process.
Hey guys! Thus far I am proud of everyone for keeping the debate civil.. Great job, and wonderful community!

Hey Hylander, you mentioned something about Cynthia Mckinney..

Well, she is hated by Republicans because she drew attention to their secret overseas child sex slave operation..

Check it out!

Dyncorp and Halliburton Sex Slave Scandal Won't Go Away

So Cynthia Mckinney was looking out for the kids.. So don't be mad at her Hylander!

The media is good at making the heroic brave Americans trying their best to protect children look like maniacs..

Let me buy you a drink Hylander! Bar Tender!! Drinks for everyone on me! Give Hylander a double shot of whiskey! That 150 proof shit! No not that one!....Yeah thats the one! Tighten up your belt Hylander, this may knock your socks off!!:friends:
 
The problem is, you lump everyone into your view. Religion is a crutch for the 'weak'.
Thats the standard, cliche boilerplate atheists, Liberals and non Christians put forth. Same crap, different crapper.
 
I agree with you but to an extent, but I would rather have a chance to not buy something or boycott a company than have a huge chuck of my wages taken away automatically.

Besides where's the law that says the government is allowed to garnish our wages. The whole income tax was implemented during WWII to help fund the war but was never lifted, but there is no law requiring an American citizen to pay a direct unapportioned tax on their labor.......period

Anyway that's a whole other tangent for a different thread......
I bet you are related to this woman:
Dentist: I Don't Have to Pay Taxes | theledger.com
 
Hey guys! Thus far I am proud of everyone for keeping the debate civil.. Great job, and wonderful community!

Hey Hylander, you mentioned something about Cynthia Mckinney..

Well, she is hated by Republicans because she drew attention to their secret overseas child sex slave operation..

Check it out!

Dyncorp and Halliburton Sex Slave Scandal Won't Go Away

So Cynthia Mckinney was looking out for the kids.. So don't be mad at her Hylander!

The media is good at making the heroic brave Americans trying their best to protect children look like maniacs..

Let me buy you a drink Hylander! Bar Tender!! Drinks for everyone on me! Give Hylander a double shot of whiskey! That 150 proof shit! No not that one!....Yeah thats the one! Tighten up your belt Hylander, this may knock your socks off!!:friends:
You really do not have a clue. Cynthia M. is a racists. She hates whites, jews and anyone who disagrees with her. She blames her loss at re-election on the jews and when she got beat by someone in her own party, she blamed the jews saying they backed her. She also praised muslim extremists as well.
 
I believe it is wrong to be as pushy about as most of the door bangers are, or those who follow you down the street, through the airport, pick your scenario.

We are not talking about war of atrocities. The worst atrocities though have been perpetrated by religious zealots out to make the world over in there own ideal.

As long as it fits into your idea of what a better place is and how they should be in it.

Well abortion is legal but it is not mandatory. It is an individuals right to deal with that decision as they see fit under the circumstances, and Bush is trying to take that away. Damn right healthcare should be free and equally provided for everyone. Why should you live and someone else die because of money. The "write" to vote...you have to be kidding me. The man who lost the election is in the White House running the country into the ground

I have expressed my point of view. Religion and Politics are very emotional issues for many of us. I have not stated anywhere that I hated you or anyone else, nor have I called you evil. I stated my opinion that Religion is one of the major problems the world has to deal with and there will never be peace as long as there is religion. I stand by that statement. I am not trying to force you to change your believes, just expressing mine. Religion is a crutch for the weak and I don't need it. If you do that's your decision and you have a right to it "for yourself".
Do you know what the Koran states and the Muslim faith. They are not pushy, you just die buy the sword if you don't accept it. Jesus said " you can judge a tree by the fruit that it bares".In Muslim countries you don't have a choice. Women have no rights in these countries. At least we can voice our different opinions and faith in this country. :usflag: GGBIW
 
Hey guys! Thus far I am proud of everyone for keeping the debate civil.. Great job, and wonderful community!

Hey Hylander, you mentioned something about Cynthia Mckinney..

Well, she is hated by Republicans because she drew attention to their secret overseas child sex slave operation..

Check it out!

Dyncorp and Halliburton Sex Slave Scandal Won't Go Away

So Cynthia Mckinney was looking out for the kids.. So don't be mad at her Hylander!

The media is good at making the heroic brave Americans trying their best to protect children look like maniacs..

Let me buy you a drink Hylander! Bar Tender!! Drinks for everyone on me! Give Hylander a double shot of whiskey! That 150 proof shit! No not that one!....Yeah thats the one! Tighten up your belt Hylander, this may knock your socks off!!:friends:
I could be wrong but wasn't Cynthia Mckinney the one that thought she didn't have to obey the the House Security Rules and played the race card in defense? :headspin: GGBIW
 
I guess i'll have to go in terror then.
I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully before you meet your maker you"ll have a change of heart.:no: GGBIW
 
I believe it is wrong to be as pushy about as most of the door bangers are, or those who follow you down the street, through the airport, pick your scenario.

We are not talking about war of atrocities. The worst atrocities though have been perpetrated by religious zealots out to make the world over in there own ideal.

As long as it fits into your idea of what a better place is and how they should be in it.

Well abortion is legal but it is not mandatory. It is an individuals right to deal with that decision as they see fit under the circumstances, and Bush is trying to take that away. Damn right healthcare should be free and equally provided for everyone. Why should you live and someone else die because of money. The "write" to vote...you have to be kidding me. The man who lost the election is in the White House running the country into the ground

I have expressed my point of view. Religion and Politics are very emotional issues for many of us. I have not stated anywhere that I hated you or anyone else, nor have I called you evil. I stated my opinion that Religion is one of the major problems the world has to deal with and there will never be peace as long as there is religion. I stand by that statement. I am not trying to force you to change your believes, just expressing mine. Religion is a crutch for the weak and I don't need it. If you do that's your decision and you have a right to it "for yourself".
Follow me one day on my job and we'll see who's weak. Work hard,millions on wefare depend on you.So you think that with no religon the world woud be better? Where did life come from?What is the purpose of life? When you say atrocities,do you mean blowing yourself up killing innocent women and children so you can get a supposed Virgin harem? I know that it is agaist the Koran to have more than 1 wife in life but it's okay in Mohammads version of heaven if you die a marter killing innocent people. Wonder what the women get for killing innocent women and children. "you can judge a tree by the fruit that it bares"
:ilovemf: GGBIW
 
Follow me one day on my job and we'll see who's weak. Work hard,millions on wefare depend on you.So you think that with no religon the world woud be better? Where did life come from?What is the purpose of life? When you say atrocities,do you mean blowing yourself up killing innocent women and children so you can get a supposed Virgin harem? I know that it is agaist the Koran to have more than 1 wife in life but it's okay in Mohammads version of heaven if you die a marter killing innocent people. Wonder what the women get for killing innocent women and children. "you can judge a tree by the fruit that it bares"
:ilovemf: GGBIW
And why do they do it? RELIGION...get my point yet? I don't care what the religion is, it doesn't matter. Why is it the right to lifers feel it is ok to kill the doctors at a planned parenhood clinic? You don't see the abortion rights folks trying to force anyone to have an abortion yet the conservative christian right is trying desperately to force their view on the rest of us. I haven't said a single thing trying to push my believes on any of you yet if you read back through this thread I have had religion pushed on me. I will still not bow down to someone elses beliefs. If you need it to get you through the day that's your business, but I don't. And by the way I have a few friends who are pasters, reverends, and preachers. We can agree to disagree and still be friends.
 
And why do they do it? RELIGION...get my point yet? I don't care what the religion is, it doesn't matter. Why is it the right to lifers feel it is ok to kill the doctors at a planned parenhood clinic? You don't see the abortion rights folks trying to force anyone to have an abortion yet the conservative christian right is trying desperately to force their view on the rest of us. I haven't said a single thing trying to push my believes on any of you yet if you read back through this thread I have had religion pushed on me. I will still not bow down to someone elses beliefs. If you need it to get you through the day that's your business, but I don't. And by the way I have a few friends who are pasters, reverends, and preachers. We can agree to disagree and still be friends.
You didn't answer the question what is the purpose of life or where did life come from? I need no crutches. I'm just sharing truth to all the other members that read the post and don't post. They can decide what is truth.One thing is positively certain is that we all pass on. Eternity is something hard to ignore. We come into this world with nothing and leave in like manner. Some don't believe but that means nothing against absolute truth.Some believed the world was flat. Didn't make it so no matter how many believed with what their eyes saw.I've posted absolute truths straight from the bible. Wishful thinking that the world will ever be in peace. The bible states what's next. It has been a battle about good and evil from the beginning.It's all in the scriptures. What is the purpose of life and where did life come from? Life was created for a purpose and reason. If you chose not to believe that it doesn't change absolute truth. :headspin:we all have our beliefs but is becoming more and more apparrent through science that in order for creation and life to occur, intelligent design made it happen. GGBIW:wink:
 
And why do they do it? RELIGION...get my point yet? I don't care what the religion is, it doesn't matter. Why is it the right to lifers feel it is ok to kill the doctors at a planned parenhood clinic? You don't see the abortion rights folks trying to force anyone to have an abortion yet the conservative christian right is trying desperately to force their view on the rest of us. I haven't said a single thing trying to push my believes on any of you yet if you read back through this thread I have had religion pushed on me. I will still not bow down to someone elses beliefs. If you need it to get you through the day that's your business, but I don't. And by the way I have a few friends who are pasters, reverends, and preachers. We can agree to disagree and still be friends.
I get your point. Nobody understands fully the deeper meanings of life. Therefore while grasping for staws to try to come up with or rationalizing the reason for being, several step into the abyss while "standing" on moral grounds.

Your logic is quite flawed as to how you are trying to use an analogous arguement for perceived murder by some. If what any of our oversees efforts are honor filled then it would be said that we go and fight for those who can not. This is closer to the murder of those who commit murder as perceived by the "right to lifers". If they kill perceived evil to protect the obvious innocent, then there marterdom is complete.

What you see is the the "freedom of choice" advocates forcing the unwilling to pay for something that they find abhorant. Try this for an analogy. A group is systematically murdering your family members and the government is forcing you to pay taxes to help support (meaning paying the group to murder your family) this group. You can however stop the murder of your family by taking out a few key members of the group. This is much closer to what is the realty of the subject. It certainly should not be taken lightly.
 
To say that it doesn't matter which religon it is , is short sighted. One honors life the other doesn't. Yes,zealots on both sides take it to extremes,but there are distinct differeces you can't ignore. It actually boils down to two brothers in the old testament. One became the father of the jewish nation,the other the father of the arab nation.Everything happens for a reason. Truth cannot be compromised or changed.There is no doubt in my mind that this thread happened for a reason and those that read it is not hap hazard or an accident. GGBIW:bang:
 
I get your point. Nobody understands fully the deeper meanings of life. Therefore while grasping for staws to try to come up with or rationalizing the reason for being, several step into the abyss while "standing" on moral grounds.

Your logic is quite flawed as to how you are trying to use an analogous arguement for perceived murder by some. If what any of our oversees efforts are honor filled then it would be said that we go and fight for those who can not. This is closer to the murder of those who commit murder as perceived by the "right to lifers". If they kill perceived evil to protect the obvious innocent, then there marterdom is complete.

What you see is the the "freedom of choice" advocates forcing the unwilling to pay for something that they find abhorant. Try this for an analogy. A group is systematically murdering your family members and the government is forcing you to pay taxes to help support (meaning paying the group to murder your family) this group. You can however stop the murder of your family by taking out a few key members of the group. This is much closer to what is the realty of the subject. It certainly should not be taken lightly.
Your post is not clear to me, are you advocating murder?
 
To say that it doesn't matter which religon it is , is short sighted. One honors life the other doesn't. Yes,zealots on both sides take it to extremes,but there are distinct differeces you can't ignore. It actually boils down to two brothers in the old testament. One became the father of the jewish nation,the other the father of the arab nation.Everything happens for a reason. Truth cannot be compromised or changed.There is no doubt in my mind that this thread happened for a reason and those that read it is not hap hazard or an accident. GGBIW:bang:
One honors life?

I'd like to see someone try to total up how much death and suffering has been perpetrated in the name of each of the major religions. Based on the crusades alone,the christian religion would probably be at the top.

There is no doubt in my mind the world would be better off without organized religion. All organized religion does is allow ignorant people to run around saying "I'm right, your doomed" my X,000 year old (fictional) book says so.
 
Your post is not clear to me, are you advocating murder?
HaHa. It is not so easy is it? I am not on one side or the other. I am not in the mix. This helps give a new perspective which is an overview. Is there a right side to this subject?

Below also posted by JT
"One honors life?

I'd like to see someone try to total up how much death and suffering has been perpetrated in the name of each of the major religions. Based on the crusades alone,the christian religion would probably be at the top."

"There is no doubt in my mind the world would be better off without organized religion. All organized religion does is allow ignorant people to run around saying "I'm right, your doomed" my X,000 year old (fictional) book says so. "

while you are at the throat of religion (especially christians) for commiting acts of murder and say that they are the group that is responsible for most attrocities consider this........... Maybe it is atheists that commit the most murder of humans and why not? They have noone to account to and nothing to account for.

Let's total some of these atheists which you prescibe to.......

Let's start with Stalin. This peace keeper and atheist killed 40 million of his own and shut down 48,000 churches and tried to liquidate the entire christian church. There is a nice start.

Mao Tse Tung is responsible for 72 million deaths in the most systematic approach to eradicating and destroying christianity.

Lenin was a small time murderer by comparison. He only murdered 10's of thousands of hostages and prisoners while murdering 100's of thousands of peasants and workers. See the German slaughter after bringing them in to help with aggriculture.

There was the extermination of the Cossacks in 1920. Lots of them.

The great purge of 1937-38 which claimed 690,000 lives.

The murder of 4 million Ukrainians and the man made starvation of 2 million others due to the famine created.

These are just a few cases listed in one "country" I have not spoken to Pol Pot and China and othe Korean efforts.

This list truely could go on for some time. These are just a few of many. If you care this number could easily be doubled by adding several more atheists and marxists which set out to destroy all religion. It could be said that the world is at war between those who want to believe and will protect the right, to death, to do so and those who do not want any religious thought at all.

If it is agreed that that killing newborns is against the religious belief which is nearly universal truth then atheists are reponsible for these deaths as well. How about euthenasia?

Credible evidence puts the death toll by secularists in the 20th century alone to be 1000 million. The religious groups that are mainly protecting themselves as a way of a death toll are way behind the secularists if you want to believe any factual evidence. It always amazes me that the media has been able to portray religion as the bad guy while all these other attrocities are able to take a backseat.

The latest war is one which tries to eradicate those that would eradicate us.This haas been the theme by in large for most U.S. wars. I do not see the religious connection on the christian side. Religious types are way way behind in the death toll of killing.

Use your head before making absurd claims.

"There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless;…their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways…" Romans 3:10 - 17

"The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good." Psalm 14:1

The bitter harvest of atheism proves that humanism is the most destructive religion in all of history. The secular state is the greatest killer ever, and secular states have made the 20th Century the bloodiest century of all time.

I leave with a quote from Stalin. " The death of one person is a tragedy, but the death of millions is just a statistic."
 
One honors life?

I'd like to see someone try to total up how much death and suffering has been perpetrated in the name of each of the major religions. Based on the crusades alone,the christian religion would probably be at the top.

There is no doubt in my mind the world would be better off without organized religion. All organized religion does is allow ignorant people to run around saying "I'm right, your doomed" my X,000 year old (fictional) book says so.
And how many lives have been take by people outside of religion. The numbers are countless as well.

Religion has it's place in the world. Just because you do hate it, does not make your view correct. :) For all of your negative hate of how religion has 'ruined' the world, I could point to all the good it has done. When tragedies have occurred, religious groups have always been at the forefront in helping those in need, many tiimes before anyone else has stepped forth. And before you say, yeah they stooped to try to convert the people, think again. They offered shelter, food, medicine, clothing, toys for children, books and many other things needed.

So, before you blame religion for all atrocities, please read up a little.
 
HaHa. It is not so easy is it? I am not on one side or the other. I am not in the mix. This helps give a new perspective which is an overview. Is there a right side to this subject?

while you are at the throat of religion (especially christians) for commiting acts of murder and say that they are the group that is responsible for most attrocities consider this........... Maybe it is atheists that commit the most murder of humans and why not? They have noone to account to and nothing to account for.

Let's total some of these atheists which you prescibe to.......

Let's start with Stalin. This peace keeper and atheist killed 40 million of his own and shut down 48,000 churches and tried to liquidate the entire christian church. There is a nice start.

Mao Tse Tung is responsible for 72 million deaths in the most systematic approach to eradicating and destroying christianity.

Lenin was a small time murderer by comparison. He only murdered 10's of thousands of hostages and prisoners while murdering 100's of thousands of peasants and workers. See the German slaughter after bringing them in to help with aggriculture.

There was the extermination of the Cossacks in 1920. Lots of them.

The great purge of 1937-38 which claimed 690,000 lives.

The murder of 4 million Ukrainians and the man made starvation of 2 million others due to the famine created.

These are just a few cases listed in one "country" I have not spoken to Pol Pot and China and othe Korean efforts.

This list truely could go on for some time. These are just two of many. If you care this number could easily be doubled by adding several more atheists and marxists which set out to destroy all religion. I could be said that the world is at war between those who want to believe and will protect the right to death to do so and those who do not want any religious thought at all.

If it is agreed that that killing newborns is against the religious belief which is nearly universal truth then atheists are reponsible for these deaths as well. How about euthenasia.

Credible evidence puts the death toll by secularists in the 20th century alone to be 1000 million. The religious groups that are mainly protecting themselves as a way of a death toll are way behind the secularists if you want to believe any factual evidence. It always amazes me that the media has been able to portray religion as the bad guy while all these other attrocities take a backseat.

The latest war is one which tries to eradicate those that would eradicate us. I do not see the religious connection on the christian side. Religious types are way way behind in the death toll of killing.

Use your head before making absurd claims.

"There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless;…their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways…" Romans 3:10 - 17

"The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good." Psalm 14:1

The bitter harvest of atheism proves that humanism is the most destructive religion in all of history. The secular state is the greatest killer ever, and secular states have made the 20th Century the bloodiest century of all time.

I leave with a quote from Stalin. " The death of one person is a tragedy, but the death of millions is just a statistic."
And Hitler was Catholic........so what. Here we go with the lumping again. Lump all of one type of people to the likes of Stalin...okay that makes a whole lot of sense. I guess all catholics are like Hitler.......NOT. I see some atheists that follow a more righteous path than some Christians. Just because someone has religion doesn't make him righteous, it's his thoughts and actions that will determine that. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholics schools and didn't believe with everything I heard, I then followed the Baptist and it still wasn't complete for me. I felt like the "Church" was more into my "offerings" than me myself. So now I believe what I believe, anything wrong with that?

When did this thread go Biblical anyway? I thought this was a liberal bashing session.

I'll leave you with a few quotes from Hitler...

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so,"

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."
 
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