[hylander]

I didn't write this letter just bringing it to your attention..

This is pretty lame....

The first person on the protest signature is Cynthia M. from Georgia. A Racist, she hates Jews and anyone who is a conservative. She blamed her failure to get re-elected on conservatives and Jews. So, if this is what you have, it's pretty pathetic.

Secondly, for the past several months, there has been talk on the news shows about whether the US will do something about Iran, so again, nothing new here. So, no conspiracy by the VP or anyone else.

I wish the pathetic liberals would work on the economy or welfare or something else. There fixation on the Republicans is pretty pathetic as well.

 

[hylander]

oh please no. i dont want liberals anywhere near the economy. And as far as welfare goes, why do we even still have it? If Welfare reform was/is good, then welfare elinimation is even better.

Lol. I agree with you. It would just give them something to do, which means, they would never get anything done anyways.

 

[hylander]

LOL!! No problem Hylander! I appreciate and respect your view of the situation.. Thats for sure...

I take comfort in the fact that others don't see danger.. This puts my mind at ease somewhat.. So feel free to post your views no matter which direction they take.. I really like Hylanders optimism.. He seems to be a pretty level headed guy overall.. So if he is not worried, I find comfort in that..

Gotta stay on my toes though.. Can't fall asleep.. LOL!

Well personally, I see no problem with giving Iran an attitude adjustment. If anything, they were and are the biggest threat in the middle east and possibly the world right now, since it has been proven they sponsor terrorism and are trying to create nuclear weapons.

 

[hylander]

The only thing that does worry me though Hylander are the "Put Options"! Explain those for us..

The Put Options look like this...

I take my V6 Mustang and Race a guy like 169Stang in the 1/4 mile..

If you place Put Options on169Stang to win, you only make money if 169Stang loses.. For you to invest the money to begin with, you would have to know before hand, whether or not 169Stang is going to break something on the launch or before he crosses the traps.. Since you have confidence of the outcome, you place 200,000 Put options on the obvious choice to win the race.. 169Stang of course.. If he does win, you make no money.. If he loses, you make a fortune.. Your a member of 169Stangs Pit Crew!

Its the "Put Options" Hylander! Disregard everything else political.. Think of only the "Put Options"..

CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS: $4.5b bet on another 9/11 within 4 weeks

Again, from the people who are doing the protesting, I would not put any money on them. They have their own agenda and if you look at their history, every one of them is suspect in not telling the truth.

And it is it true that that did happen, putting a mystery stock trader as Cheney or someone he knows again shows they will reach at anything to blame the administration. False Accusations are just that... false. To declare someone as so called true without real prove, shows the mentality of these people. They hurt their cause more than help it, because it happens again and again.

They run a pure hate campain. Funny how liberals preach tolerance and such, yet when it comes right down to it, they are the least tolerant of anyone. If you don't agree with them, they do all they can to smear your name.

 

[hylander]

1) weapons of mass destruction
2) link between Saddam and Bin Laden

Actually, he did not lie about weapons of mass destruction. He based his facts on Russian intelligence that was given to him, along with our own, plus documents that came out of Iraq as well. Also, there is evidence before the war, that trucks moved items to Syria during the night.

Link between Saddam and Bin Laden? It has been documented that Al Quaida members sought and received medical treatement in Iraq and several terrorist were known to take refuge in Iraq.

However, that being said, I believe that Iran was and is the bigger threat and if a country needed to be invaded, it was them.

 

[hylander]

Wire Taps require a Court Order!

YouTube - Bush Claims Wiretaps Require Court Order

Wiretaps against citizens of the US. These were against known terrorists from other countries. Symantics many, but still there. I personally have no problem with the govt listening into phone calls against known terrorist groups on international calls.

Again, it is funny. Liberals decry this and if you think about it, they are the very ones who give the terrorist the ability to do the things they do. If you do not have anything to hide, don't worry about it. I would rather sacrifice some to be safe, than to allow terrorist the ability to cause more mass murder. Liberals would sacrifice people in order to make sure your feelings are not hurt.

 

[hylander]

That's not the extent of it. He is wire tapping whoever he wants without oversight. It is against the law. I don't care if you want to sit there and give up your rights like the idiot Germans did for Hitler. It is not alright with me to give up mine. Wake up before it's too late. We no longer live in a free democracy here. We are continually losing our position as one of the best countries in the world in any category you can think of. Dollars rule and any means to go after them are alright. Your children are going to live to see the US implode just as the Soviet Union did. It's coming and you all need to open your eyes.

First off, the US is not a democracy. Contrary to popular belief.

Second, I am not an idiot like the Germans.

Thirdly. What 'rights' have you given up? Name one right you still do not have? Privacy? You have privacy. No one has taken it away. Free speech? you still have that? So, name a right that has been taken away please.

 

[hylander]

Anyone see the history channel own the 9/11 conspiracy theorists? Great show.

It is ashame however, that our country seems to be dividing into two camps. The nanny state morons who are gladly giving up privacy and all their rights willingly, in some cases like Onstar, actually paying to have there every move monitored. There on one side.

the people on the privacy side of things seem to be going completly overboard in the other direction.

To me, the truth is in the middle, and the hard part is how do we get the wack jobs from the extremes back to a position that really makes sense.

For the record, I think anyone who is still behind this administration is a complete flaming idiot.

They started a war that didn't need to be fought, in such an incompetent manner that it appears it can not be won. Unlike Viet Nam, however, losing this war will have grave grave consequences.

JT, so I am a complete flamiong idiot because I am still behind this administation? Thanks for judging me. Shows good character.

I am behind the administration. Not on everything. I do not follow blindly. Do I agree with the war. Actually, I do stand behind the war. For several reasons. 1st. If atrocities are committed, I believe it is the responsibility of any superpower to put an end to it. Hussein was torturing and murdering his own people. Look what he did to the Kurds. I also think we need to go into Sudan as well and put an end to the genocide there.

I believe we should do something other than talk about Iran as well. Iran only knows force and will respond only to force. They have proven they careless about idle words.

Do I agree with all Bush has done, no. Do I believe in alot of what he has done and is trying to do? Yes. Is he evil? No. Has he made mistakes? Yes. We all have. We are quick to point the finger at others because it is easy to do so, not realizing the great responsibility they have in protecting this country on a day to day basis.

 

[hylander]

If you sacrifice Liberty for Security, you deserve neither.. We are a Country of men, governed by laws..

By all means, wiretap the terrorist.. But first prove they are a terrorist by appearing in Court, and making a paper trail under the Umbrella of Justice, to make sure Constitutional abuses can not take place.. Plus, inform the court of the name of the person your trying to tap.. Show probable cause for this action..

This is not a political issue, so you should not continue to used the catch phrase Liberal to gain support for your radical ideas, which seem to contradict the Rule of Law, and the Constitution Hylander...

Even a Liberal wants to have a proven terrorist conspirator wiretapped.. A true Conservative wants you to prove it first..

Again, I have no problem with them wiretapping individuals who are communicating with known countries who harbor terrorists or with organizations. I think this protection of so called 'rights' sometimes goes to far. In some instances, that has gotten us in trouble more than once.

People throw out the word rights and violation of rights to easily nowadays and people get so scared to say anything because of it. Criminals and politicians use it to their advantage whenever they can.

 

[hylander]

So we still have freedom of speech? Why don't you ask the Dixie Chicks who criticized the president if we have freedom of speech.

Did they say or or did they not. They were allowed to say it and people were allowed to voice their opinion about it.

Freedom of speech at it's finest.

 

[hylander]

Being banned from radio stations is freedom of speech at it's finest? I think you need to open your eyes my friend.

You need to open your eyes,. It is the right of the radio station to do so. The Dixie Chics can say whatever they want. They still have freedom of speech. No matter how you try to spin it.

 

[hylander]

This administration has done more than make a mistake. On a foreign policy level, they have made just about every mistake possible.

Catch or kill bin laden? Fail.
Deter iran from WMD's? Fail.
Deter North Korea from WMD's? Fail.
Invade a country that had a viable WMD program? Fail.
Perpetrate a successful regime change? Fail.
(by successful I mean to a regime more favorable to the United States).
Prevent terrorist activity and training in Iraq? Fail.

What have they succeded in doing, Paving the way for a shia superstate in the heart of the middle east, that's what. A budding breeding and training ground for terrorists. A larger more dangerous theocracy more likely to work with Al Queda and terrorist orginizations that Saddam ever was.

As a secular government in a muslim country, bin laden hated Saddam almost as much as america. Too bad for us he was much smarter than Bush and company and got one of his enemies to take out another of his enemies, while riling up local populations to join his cause against the west.

Iraq under saddam and in Sunni control was the perfect counterbalance to Iran. Bush Cheney and this completely idiotic administration among other things, destroyed the balance of power in the middle east.

Sounds like you think the solution is now to invade iran?

Good luck with that.

Wait a second. ....... So you are saying all of that is Bush's fault. That he caused ALL of that? Let's see France and Germany and Russia who supplied equipment to help build the equipment for centrifuges had nothing to do with helping these countries in their quest for WMD?

Come on.... So easy to blame a political administration because you hate the party.

Um.. North Korea. Possibly withdraw of WMD.. Success maybe.....

Deter Iran from WMD? Please, oh please tell me what Bush or anyone else could do to deter Iran from WMD? Wipe Israel off the map for them? Surrender the US to them? Please tell me. This I would love to hear.....

Please be realistic on some of these. I agree with you on some of the others. But these are way off base.

 

[hylander]

First of all I am a registered republican.

Second, France, Germany and Russia were supposed to kill bin laden?

Third, If the US wasn't involved in a war that didn't need to be fought, the other members of the "axis of evil" may have been a little more concerned about military action and more amenable to stopping their WMD projects.

So to answer your question, as the leaders of the worlds lone superpower, GW Bush and company are completely responsible.

Further, with regard to iran and iraq under saddam, would one or the other have stood by while the other developed WMDs? No way, not after the bitter 8 year 1,000,000 casuality war they recently fought. How nice it would have been to stand on the side lines while two of our main enemies killed off each other?

No, France, Germany, Russia were supplying equipment to help Iran produce Nucleur 'fuel'. Heck, Russia was supplying Hussein in Iraq with night vision goggles prior to the war. The UN was working with Hussein in a Oil for Money kickback scheme.

If you think Iran would have ever been concerned what the world thought about them pursuing nucleur weapons, you are way off base there. Their president has pretty much said since coming into power he could careless what anyone says and has received support openly and under the table from communist and democratic regimes.

This cannot be blamed solely on Bush. To do so, would be an injustice to what goes on in the rest of the world with other countries and what they do. I am not definately not saying Bush is guiltless here. I think the war was probably started for the wrong reasons. I would have approved more of it, if it was for the human rights violations Hussein committed against his own people.

 

[hylander]

While some of you staunchly defend the Republicans, lets view a reality check..

YouTube - Senator Larry Craig Busted Soliciting Gay Sex

Now, we know there are alot more of this type of demonic behavior going on.. This is why most Republican Senators and Congressman can be compromised when it comes to votes.. This is why they must follow the party line and vote.. This is what wiretapping is all about.. This is who they are using it for, so they can blackmail them into voting for ridiculous laws such as the Patriot Act..

I am sure there are Democrats with secrets who are blackmailed into votes.. Joe Lieberman anyone?

There are more.. Lets face it guys, I Country is run by perverts and pedophiles..

So its not too late for some of you to wake up and recognized the 'Mark of the Beast" when you see it.. Souls which have been compromised by the "Mark of the Beast", tend to gravitate toward innocence.. This is witnessed in the number of Republicans which desire young boys..

Lets all grab hands for prayer! Our Father....

Oh get off of it. Look at all the Democrats who have had scandals!

Sheeze, you need to knock this crap off of let's hate the Republicans. there are good and bad in each party. Neither one holds a candle to being above reproach, so quit the holier than though garbage please.

 

[hylander]

And don't fight me on this, or I will turn this thread into a video archive of Gay perverted Republican videos which are in the thousands...

Very Christian of you. And I am a Christian saying this and believe me, you are not acting like one.

 

[hylander]

I am just pointing out the facts my brother Hylander.. I know the truth hurts..

I'll be here for you when you get sick of defending them brother!!:good:

Not going to debate you on this. But please do not call me brother. A brother of mine would not make threats like you do, nor push hate such as you do.

Anyways, this thread has pretty much degenerated now.

 

[hylander]

Turning a little homophobic in here?

To me, the problem with Craig isn't that he is gay, but that he is a hypocrite.

There are plenty of Gay democrats, but since the majority of them don't run around bashing gays, and same sex marrage, etc. they seem a little further down the hypocracy scale.

Speaking of gays, how about GW's gay prostitute overnight whitehouse visitor and press conference softball questioner,(Jeff Gannon alias Jeff Guckert), that the mainstream media totally ignored? What was up with that? Again, I have a problem with the hypocracy, not anyone's sexual preference.

He was probably ignored because of the liberal press

I agree. The hyprocasy is as bad as anything

 

[hylander]

There is nothing at all wrong with being gay.. Its a born characteristic.. This is not about gay, its about a gravitational pull towards the innocence of the young, and un-corrupted..

Its a sign.. If you are a Christian than you know that its demonic behavior and is an indication of the corruption of ones soul by the influences of pure evil.. Its not about Gay.. Its about corruption...

MSP, I am betting that you are a closet Republican who secretly attends all the GW Bush functions and contributes alot of money to them. You are so adamant in your hatred, you must have something to hide.

Come on, you can tell us. You probably have Dick Cheney Bed Sheets, don't you?

 

[hylander]

All of you holy roller bible thumpers crack me up. The single most deterrent to world peace is organized religion. It is for all the sheep that need to be led around because they can't stand on there own 2 feet. Man will never be free as long as Religion continues. It allows the sheep to spew hate and intolerance while beating their chests in righteous indignation.

Wow, way to to talk up tolerance.....

 

[hylander]

The problem we have here is it is the nature of man is that there is always an extreme of one side or another.

Quotes from the Bible are taken way out of context for either view and used for their own purposes without actually researching why it was actually written in the first place. Comments about 'religious people' are generalized against Christians as a whole because of what some are doing in the world, just like 'liberals' are generalized as a whole because you hear what the Clintons, Kennedy's, or the homosexual rights groups are doing.

Each person should be looked at independently and not put in a box with everyone else.

I am a Christian and I do not share the beliefs that MSP shares. Nor do I believe all that Bush does, even though he professes to be a Christian. We are not perfect, contrary to some beliefs. And contrary to some beliefs, we do preach tolerance which is contrary to some liberal beliefs that they preach tolerance as well.

So, don't lump everyone in the same box. It shows how intolerant one is and does not help the debate in any way, shape or form at all.