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ABSOLUTELY!!. It also stated only companys passing safety requirements will be included. It stated clinton dodged the issue so to speak so the law was passed during wiilies precidency. Free trade is always better. I hope your wrong about the safety of our roads though. GGBIW:headspin:
I am concerned about a citizen of this Country trying to collect an insurance claim from a Company in Mexico..

I am worried about the job of a truck driver who is a US citizen who used to carry the goods that are now on the back of a truck from Mexico, delivering to a store in Topeka Kansas..

They are raping us GGBIW.. Stripping us of everything. Outsourcing our dignity..

Damn them!
 
I am concerned about a citizen of this Country trying to collect an insurance claim from a Company in Mexico..

I am worried about the job of a truck driver who is a US citizen who used to carry the goods that are now on the back of a truck from Mexico, delivering to a store in Topeka Kansas..

They are raping us GGBIW.. Stripping us of everything. Outsourcing our dignity..

Damn them!
Be nice. Put that way ,I see your point . How come we let Canada do it? I'm concerned about terror attacks and Canada is a little lax on there imigration policy. GGBIW:usflag:
 
Discussion starter · #163 · (Edited)
Be nice. Put that way ,I see your point . How come we let Canada do it? I'm concerned about terror attacks and Canada is a little lax on there imigration policy. GGBIW:usflag:
In regards to terror attacks, there is public evidence in the forms of books, and archives which indicate that most of the attacks which have happened have been Black OPS operations.. No outside Country would be foolish enough to attack the US..

I think this is a fundamental problem with the view points expressed in general.. Some people have researched the cold hard facts about certain incidents, and some quote what they see on TV.. The information produced and found in the news media is for the most part filtered to bias an event toward an outside entity.. Where as the information buried in a book, or archive typically indicate a small faction of our own people covertly had a hand in the event..

Trucks from Mexico should continue to operate in their own Country.. While our carriers actually provide jobs for the citizens of our Country..

GGBIW, don't you understand that the purpose of this is to take away jobs from Americans? Why can't you see that?

Hey GGBIW, lets hire some Mexicans or Canadians to do work on the Bridges here in the US.. They will work on our bridges cheaper than you will.. You cost too much money.. Your able to own GT500's and convert them to Super Snakes.. It would be much cheaper for the tax payer to hire some migrant workers to do your job..

He would only need enough to buy a used Honda with 100,000 miles on it..
 
Discussion starter · #164 ·
Don't get me wrong GGBIW! I feel much safer driving over the bridges here in the Bay Area, knowing that your in control of their maintenance.. I mean, I am glad you own GT500's and make sure our bridges are safe around here..

However, it would be cheaper for migrant workers to do your job.. I just wouldn't drive over the Bay Bridge or Golden gate anymore.. Taxes would be much cheaper though.. Thats for sure..
 
Discussion starter · #165 ·
Ok, so if we analyze the track record of this administration, it would dictate that they normally are doing the exact opposite of what they say they are doing in the media..

At the same time they have proclaimed to be cracking down on companies which hire illegal immigrants, promising tough penalties and enforcing existing law.. They have opened the border for carriers from Mexico to deliver to any destination in the USA..

Now, it appears to me based on a proven track record, they are planning to rapidly increase the amount of undocumented workers, by putting them on the back of trucks and trucking them into thousands of cities across the Country starting in September..

Don't be surprised if the number of illegal immigrants in this country triples within the next 1 year..

They will be trucking them in, inside of climate controlled trailers starting this month.. In the beginning, they will ship goods and products for the 1st few months.. But after that, expect that for every 10 trucks from Mexico driving in the US, 2 of them will have fresh new migrant workers looking for a new home that just got foreclosed on..
 
Imigration is another hot topic. You certainly know how to pick them. To be honest with you,my local has taken in many welders from south of the border rather than allow them to work non union. I have mixed feelings on that. Where I live,most of the hard work in the vinyards is done by them. I believe the farmers need them and voice that. Deporting all of them could do us more harm than good. Free trade is better in the long run but I also see your valid points. If we let 1 country do it we need to allow the other too. I read another article on that and evidently they have to allow our truckers access to their country to deliver also. You made a point about making an insurance claim aganst a mexican company. I would hope our law makers make them carry U.S. insurance just like we have to buy mexican insurance to drive in their country. I'm torn on this subject as both sides have valid points. I do make a decent wage at my job but it took over 18 years before I became superintendent. I was a foreman for 8 years before that. Every job at the bridge is posted and many apply. Then you go through an interview process to determine who the best applicant is. Pretty gut wrenching for an Ironworker that normally goes to his unions dispatch window for a job. I don't think it's right to come into this country illegally. We can't reward people breaking the law. I don't see them taking our dignity as you do.Most of the jobs they take we don't want to do. I think many of them are seeking a better life for their familys but I don't condone breaking the laws of our country. You certainly know how to pick hot topics; GGBIW:eek:k:
 
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Imigration is another hot topic. You certainly know how to pick them. To be honest with you,my local has taken in many welders from south of the border rather than allow them to work non union. I have mixed feelings on that. Where I live,most of the hard work in the vinyards is done by them. I believe the farmers need them and voice that. Deporting all of them could do us more harm than good. Free trade is better in the long run but I also see your valid points. If we let 1 country do it we need to allow the other too. I read another article on that and evidently they have to allow our truckers access to their country to deliver also. You made a point about making an insurance claim aganst a mexican company. I would hope our law makers make them carry U.S. insurance just like we have to buy mexican insurance to drive in their country. I'm torn on this subject as both sides have valid points. I do make a decent wage at my job but it took over 18 years before I became superintendent. I was a foreman for 8 years before that. Every job at the bridge is posted and many apply. Then you go through an interview process to determine who the best applicant is. Pretty gut wrenching for an Ironworker that normally goes to his unions dispatch window for a job. I don't think it's right to come into this country illegally. We can't reward people breaking the law. I don't see them taking our dignity as you do.Most of the jobs they take we don't want to do. I think many of them are seeking a better life for their familys but I don't condone breaking the laws of our country. You certainly know how to pick hot topics; GGBIW:eek:k:
I am not against anyone coming here to seek a better way of life to support their family.. I am not focusing too much really on the immigration aspect of it really.. I am strictly viewing the situation from the standpoint of safety and accountability of our nations highways, and another job lost..

Still wondering how elected officials continue to pass laws and support ideas which run contrary to the best circumstance for American Citizens..

There is no one else to blame for this than our current political leaders.. Democrats and Republicans..

Don't think I am ignoring Al Gore's support of Nafta, and George Bush furthering its agenda..

The truth is, there is only one political party in this Country.. They have divided themselves into the good guy bad guy scenario to confuse us.. However, if you watch closely, they all seem to want the same things for America.. Its downfall.. Crooked bastards!! All of them.. Democrats and Republicans..

Life would be much easier if I were a sheep.. I wish I knew how to follow the crowd.. I have no idea why I can not for the life of me be a follower..
 
MSP,

I appreciate the thought that events shouldn't be blindly accepted at face value.

However, I don't think governments in general, and ours in particular, especially this administration, can keep a secret.

Nor do they seem competent, on any level.

Did you see the History channel piece on 9/11 conspiracies? It answered 90+% of all my questions in ways that gel with my engineering back round.

The problem I am left with is very political, and that is this administration has absolutly prositituted 9/11 way beyond what I thought possible, to implement policies they wanted to implement long before 9/11.

To me the Bill of Rights is not negotiable, and I wish all Americans truely appreciated it's wisdom.
 
There is nothing wrong with feeling Patriotic. I just think that this is hot potato and it isn't going to be easy fixing. Our economy has boomed because of free trade. We are a nation of laws and can't ignore they came illegally either. I appreciate the passion that you all express your views with. I get wound up when we talk religon because I want to share with you what I know is truth. I am by no means judging anyone. We all pass on and that can't be argued.We all hold dear to what we believe, but eternity is forever.Immigration is a tough one to discuss . I'm thankful we can disagree in a civil manner and respect each other. GGBIW:good:
 
I am not against anyone coming here to seek a better way of life to support their family.. I am not focusing too much really on the immigration aspect of it really.. I am strictly viewing the situation from the standpoint of safety and accountability of our nations highways, and another job lost..

Still wondering how elected officials continue to pass laws and support ideas which run contrary to the best circumstance for American Citizens..

There is no one else to blame for this than our current political leaders.. Democrats and Republicans..

Don't think I am ignoring Al Gore's support of Nafta, and George Bush furthering its agenda..

The truth is, there is only one political party in this Country.. They have divided themselves into the good guy bad guy scenario to confuse us.. However, if you watch closely, they all seem to want the same things for America.. Its downfall.. Crooked bastards!! All of them.. Democrats and Republicans..

Life would be much easier if I were a sheep.. I wish I knew how to follow the crowd.. I have no idea why I can not for the life of me be a follower..
I think the majority of americans are in the middle of the political spectrum. Not the left or right. When elections come up they all gravitate to the middle to get elected. A lot of our members can't stand president Bush,and that's okay. I just don't see him as a lier or deciever. Governing this great country of ours is not easy but to think that the terrorists will leave us alone is not reality. Interesting that the story I posted about the two brothers in the bible is that 1 brothers decendents control a vast amount of money(jews),the other decendents control the vast oil reserves of the world(arabs) . I've also noticed that many have read our posts and just read not posting responses. When we disagree in a civil manner, these members can choose what they think is truth. All of you articulate your views well. To me this is the greatest country in the world even with all it's faults. GGBIW:cheers:
 
Discussion starter · #171 · (Edited)
MSP,

I appreciate the thought that events shouldn't be blindly accepted at face value.

However, I don't think governments in general, and ours in particular, especially this administration, can keep a secret.

Nor do they seem competent, on any level.

Did you see the History channel piece on 9/11 conspiracies? It answered 90+% of all my questions in ways that gel with my engineering back round.

The problem I am left with is very political, and that is this administration has absolutly prositituted 9/11 way beyond what I thought possible, to implement policies they wanted to implement long before 9/11.

To me the Bill of Rights is not negotiable, and I wish all Americans truely appreciated it's wisdom.
No I didn't watch the History channel special.. Partly because I knew it couldn't explain why WTC7 imploded, and how both towers 1 and 2 collapsed at free fall speed.. Or explain how it is possible that another bush was running the security of the wtc previous to 911..

Let me ask you a question.. Did the History channel story say that the presidents brother ran the security company? Did it explain why some of the structural steel had 45 degree angle perfect cuts? These are steel beams in the center of the structure.. The core...

If not, then the rest of it was BS as well...

YouTube - 911 Truth: Modern Miracle of Science Defies Physics!!
 
No I didn't watch the History channel special.. Partly because I knew it couldn't explain why WTC7 imploded, and how both towers 1 and 2 collapsed at free fall speed.. Or explain how it is possible that another bush was running the security of the wtc previous to 911..

Let me ask you a question.. Did the History channel story say that the presidents brother ran the security company? Did it explain why some of the structural steel had 45 degree angle perfect cuts? These are steel beams in the center of the structure.. The core...

If not, then the rest of it was BS as well...

YouTube - 911 Truth: Modern Miracle of Science Defies Physics!!
Proclaim it BS without watching? I can't summarize a several hour show in a the length of a post, but here are a few highlights.

Once the building "fractured", it had to come down fast, the speed of the fall makes perfect sense to me.

Also pointed out that, at the temperature the fires burned, while steel doesn't melt, it does loose half it's strength (explains the collapse). There was plenty of other metal in the building that would melt at those temperatures, which explains the potential for the "puddled" metal (which I don't neccesarily believe existed).

As for WTC 7, most of that was explained, the building had a somewhat unique truss structure, watch the replay if you want to know more.

Regardless of the explanation, the fact that the conspiracy theorists make such a big deal out of building 7 is amazing, and to me a "straw man" argument.

A building that no one really cared about, that no one was in, collapsed, so what? If there was a conspiracy, why would they have even bothered with building 7?

Again, there was much more to the show, watch it for yourself and polish up you tinfoil hat, lol.

JT
 
Still wondering how elected officials continue to pass laws and support ideas which run contrary to the best circumstance for American Citizens..
That's an easy one..... MONEY. You can thank corporations and banks for this because they have their hand in everything. If they can't buy one political figure they move on to the next one. They will find the bad apples! Look also at the effect corporations have on our laws. I could go on and on about the negative things that come from big corporations. The power and influence some of them have is just plain scary.

There is no one else to blame for this than our current political leaders.. Democrats and Republicans..
I completely agree. If everyone in politics had integrity this world would be a different place. That will unfortunately never happen.

The truth is, there is only one political party in this Country.. They have divided themselves into the good guy bad guy scenario to confuse us.. However, if you watch closely, they all seem to want the same things for America.. Its downfall.. Crooked bastards!! All of them.. Democrats and Republicans..
Once again very true. It's just a puppet show to take attention away from the source of our problems and give the people something to blame things on.
 
Discussion starter · #174 ·
Proclaim it BS without watching? I can't summarize a several hour show in a the length of a post, but here are a few highlights.

Once the building "fractured", it had to come down fast, the speed of the fall makes perfect sense to me.

Also pointed out that, at the temperature the fires burned, while steel doesn't melt, it does loose half it's strength (explains the collapse). There was plenty of other metal in the building that would melt at those temperatures, which explains the potential for the "puddled" metal (which I don't neccesarily believe existed).

As for WTC 7, most of that was explained, the building had a somewhat unique truss structure, watch the replay if you want to know more.

Regardless of the explanation, the fact that the conspiracy theorists make such a big deal out of building 7 is amazing, and to me a "straw man" argument.

A building that no one really cared about, that no one was in, collapsed, so what? If there was a conspiracy, why would they have even bothered with building 7?

Again, there was much more to the show, watch it for yourself and polish up you tinfoil hat, lol.

JT
Why bother with building 7? Ever heard of the WorldCOM scandal? There were thousands of documents related to criminal ongoing probes related not only to WorldCOM, but other cases implicating alot of influential people...

WorldCom Fraud InfoCenter - WorldCom scandal and fraud

So while it looked as if it was just an innocent building which fell.. Alot of damaging evidence was lost as well..

When you click on the link, look to the right for more info of criminal cases which information was lost when WTC7 came down..
 
Why bother with building 7? Ever heard of the WorldCOM scandal? There were thousands of documents related to criminal ongoing probes related not only to WorldCOM, but other cases implicating alot of influential people...

WorldCom Fraud InfoCenter - WorldCom scandal and fraud

So while it looked as if it was just an innocent building which fell.. Alot of damaging evidence was lost as well..

When you click on the link, look to the right for more info of criminal cases which information was lost when WTC7 came down..
So what?

Dick Cheney to GW, "Look George, not only will we be able too attack iraq, and Afghanistan, but we can get rid of worldcom documents!"

Anyway, watch the show, the building had large spans supported by long trusses, a truss that would fail when fires were freely burning for hours upon hours. By the way the trusses were supported on the ends, in the corners of the building, and unsupported in the middle, where the supposed "telltale" demoltion "kink" happened.
 
Discussion starter · #176 ·
So what?

Dick Cheney to GW, "Look George, not only will we be able too attack iraq, and Afghanistan, but we can get rid of worldcom documents!"

Anyway, watch the show, the building had large spans supported by long trusses, a truss that would fail when fires were freely burning for hours upon hours. By the way the trusses were supported on the ends, in the corners of the building, and unsupported in the middle, where the supposed "telltale" demoltion "kink" happened.
Ok JT, I'll check it out!

British troops retreat into the night | The Australian
 
Discussion starter · #178 · (Edited)
Youtube suicide bomber...
Hey Herknav I was curious about something in regards to you...

How many times does the dog bark at you when he is tired of chasing you around the mountainside?

Let me see, he barks once for you to turn right, twice if he desires you to make a left, and 3 times to stop..

Is that right Herknav? Did I get it?

Baaaaaa!!Baaaaa!! GTFOH!

YouTube - Just watch...
 
Discussion starter · #179 ·
Hey JT! So what about the suspicious stock market trades taking place?

Everything I can find points to on or by Sept 21st..

This guys seems to think so as well..

YouTube - Stock Market crash by Sept. 21st??

More people have made videos of suspicious activity.. Check them out..
 
Hey JT! So what about the suspicious stock market trades taking place?

Everything I can find points to on or by Sept 21st..

This guys seems to think so as well..

YouTube - Stock Market crash by Sept. 21st??

More people have made videos of suspicious activity.. Check them out..
I have seen a not so scary explanaton, that unfortuneatly I didn't bookmark.

Basically it said, among other things, that whoever has those positions, could have off setting positions and by just looking at short futures, one can't really tell where the true money is.
 
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